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  • #11168

    scherfz1
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    So this is my first build or drone for that fact. so far it has been quite the anticipated wait and overall awesome experience and excitement, life is too short to not be waiting for a “toy” in the mail as the significant other says. But here we go….

    here are some photos of my imprimo so far. again sorry for the greasy hands and cell phone photos.

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    this i was very exited about, the imprimo fits perfectly in its box that it came in with props on, will defiantly be adding foam to this so that it can travel in it safely, dont know if this was an actual goal by the design team and marketing, but bravo!

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    this is the memory slot and my reasoning to the lower canopy to be deeper, the photo isn’t the greatest but the slot is kinda angled in the lower canopy but it is functional. i have no experience with cad or 3D printers, so i will have to live with the original design (honestly not a big deal IMHO)

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  • #11169

    scherfz1
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    The build went smooth, i looked and looked for instructions and finally found them in support which is ok, i was really hoping for paper ones in the box and with my excitement it took me a while to think about them being posted on the site. but i found them and earlier tonight i found a link in the general imprimo thread (go figure, only if i just took a breather).

    packaging, it was really clean and impressive with the boards and motors being in a cardboard printed version of the imprimo on the “holder”. little details like that really get my attention and appreciation. packaging of screws and hardware though kind upset me, again though; if i slowed down, i would have been able to tell the hex/Phillips  screws apart better and what each step called for, but i am one that likes labeling on baggies of whats what. but again, it was easy when i back tracked and slowed down. (im starting to see a common theme with myself lol)

    the actual build was awesome and straight forward for the most part, the HD camera was a little tricky but with my knowledge of computers and connectors i was able to figure out how to remove the ribbon (easy enough). there are steps that i feel counter acted the overall goal of assembly though and specifically when it came to attaching the upper and lower canopy of the drone, when tearing it down to help someone today for photos i found it easier to attach the lower canopy with the screws and nuts first rather than try to affix the upper and lower while adjusting the camera ribbon and then affixing the screws. to also add to that, when i put the lower canopy on  and seating it with the screws and nuts first, then position the upper into place, i was able to get a better attachment of the front and rear clips. when i tried to keep the upper canopy straight while attaching the lower, the lower would seat wonky due to split attention of keeping the upper canopy aligned.

     

  • #11170

    scherfz1
    Participant

    some changes i would personally make with the drone or hardware would be to shorten the HD camera ribbon, it seemed excessively long, especially with how much i tucked in the lower canopy. another would be to possibly deepen the lower canopy that the VTX transmitter is in, this is due to an issue with the foam tape causing the SD slot to be slightly too high, i worked it down to where i can use it with out having to disassemble but it was making me nervous as to how much i was pushing it down, but it is good to go now.

    i know there are three different flight modes for it, how to change or cycle through those modes, i have yet to find any info how to do this. some help would be greatly appreciated.

    overall the imprimo has impressed me and i cannot wait to fly it, its a slick and very clean build. now i just need to get my friends with a 3D printer to hook me up so that i can get parts colored to my liking. i love the red but i just found Green props soo i want to change it up and make it my own lol.

    I hope yall enjoyed my thoughts,
    Zack

    PS: i hope to have a flight review added to this thread in a couple days!

    • #11172

      Chris
      Moderator

      Thanks for sharing your feedback and Imprimo story. Your feedback concerning the packaging was very well received by our marketing team. It’s these kind of comments that make us love what we do. And of course, we also learn from negative experience, perhaps we may pack accessories in labeled poly bags next time around 😀

      Looking forward to follow your story.

      Best regards,
      Chris aka MatLi

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      • #11173

        scherfz1
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        Not a problem Sir, packaging was awesome though, my personal preference would have been to have bags labeled but that is soooo minimal to be honest. But the packaging again is spot on and i love the fact i can store the Imprimo in the box it came in with some good foam. i plan on using pelican case foam that i have laying around.

        Keep up the amazing work and i look forward to getting the Aeon frame and doing a full size race build!

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  • #11186

    scherfz1
    Participant

    Well I have hit my first snag up other than batteries. Got the V2 Controller binded to the Imprimo, but Motors will not turn… don’t know what the deal is, i have connected and reconnected the motors…. good news is I have video connection though…..

     

    any help is appreciated

  • #11187

    scherfz1
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    well i finally figured out the controller and have been able to arm the drone. took it for a maiden flight test and run up. i needed to trim it to the left quite a bit. was having to constantly fight it to hold one spot. i also noticed that i will have to trim back as well. but the Imprimo is very responsive which is fun as heck. battery is on the charger now so we will see how she does on round two…..

  • #11189

    SamMateo
    Participant

    Hey Zack, great review and discussion of your build history. I agree with all the points you’ve made:

    1. Great packaging, good presentation
    2. Would be nice to label the baggies to show which screws are which, I eventually sorted them in increasing size order and it worked out well for referencing. Many screws are not used and many extras are provided, which was a nice touch.
    3. You helped me out on how to disconnect and reconnect the VTx and Camera ribbon, thank you! I also found connecting the camera canopy and bottom tray to be the trickiest part.
    4. Also observed that the SD card slot may not line up with the hole in the printed bottom tray. To help with this, I only put double sided tape on the other end of the VTx, so i could tilt the back half with the SD card slot closer to the hole alignment.
    5. I have still not figured out how to stop a recording. Any one at Drone Art can help? I mapped Camera Control 1 to Channel 4 (a two position toggle), and I can start recording but cannot stop it.
    6. I had vibrations in the quad, but I removed the camera assembly and backed off the stack screws so they weren’t so tight, and it flies relatively smooth without the camera assembly. I wonder if its better to have the stack screws tighter or looser? thoughts?
    7. I think one of my LEDs is broken. See pic. Do you have two blue LEDs on the bottom left side light up? (my pic is sideways, but you can see the missing blue LED)

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    • #11195

      scherfz1
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      to me, if your in Acro mode, i feel as though you also dont have the two red lights in the rear either…..but i didnt hook mine up to beta flight, 1) because i dont really know how to use it, and 2) i wanted to see how the BNF was with it…. and i think its good…. but i have also discovered i am a crappy drone operator….. though maybe some of my stick and rudder time might cross over… i have found that to be a wishful dream………

  • #11222

    scherfz1
    Participant

    So the second day flying the imprimo is coming along, I have got the hovering in one spot down, and I can go pretty much where ever as long as I do not change the orientation lol but it’s coming along… I think the V2 controller is not helping with me on changing the orientation do to the fact that the sticks are stiffer than what I would like, back when I was trying rc helicopters over a decade ago, I do remember the Tx’s that I liked the best had sticks that were almost fluid like the throttle and were nice a light….. the V2 on the other hand has so very strong centering springs and I’m not a fan of that….. but I will lear an work with what I have….. unless I decide to pick up the Taranus, right now I will just stick with learning LOS flight

  • #11223

    scherfz1
    Participant

    Ohh added note, if you have 5kts of wind flying the imprimo…. and your trying to learn…. have fun watching this sail away 😂😂😂 I have been trying to learn in Acro mode sooo it don’t stay put lol

  • #11224

    scherfz1
    Participant

    Also for the review part of today’s posts, this thing can take a beating!!! I have had some hard crashes and it holding up well, worst part about it is, you end up chasing the front and rear clips all over the place and the grass is a hard place to find them 😳😳😳

  • #11225

    SamMateo
    Participant

    Sounds like fun. For orientation if you just dive right into FPV that will eventually go away. For me its like a band-aid, you just have to rip it off and commit to the screen.

    For the size, I’m not surprised that a little wind will push the Imprimo around. It feels like a good indoor flier or small park flier. Who knows what it turns into with a 3S battery, though!
    I also noted that its really the front and rear clips that are the weak links. Otherwise, something this light with a CF frame seems pretty durable.

    I am still having lots of challenges with vibration…are you seeing “twitchiness” in your Imprimo? I’m starting to think I need to adjust PIDS. but would be useful if you could let me know how much you tightened down your stack screws. Sometimes it flies smooth and sometimes it doesn’t, so not sure what to do next…

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  • #11226

    scherfz1
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    lol diver right into the screen… funny you should say this, right after i had a hard crash and tore the camera ribbon LMFO.. oh well, when the spares come out ill get a new camera….

    mine is pretty smooth, i haven’t had yaw twitch much at all. sometimes right as the battery is dying it starts… ~7.4v area… my stack screws were tightened to the instruction spec, what i did though was screw it tight, meaning a thread or two past the top of the nut, then backed it to 3/4 of the way through the nut….

    for the front clip, yes i do believe the front clip is the problem child out of the two.

     

  • #11227

    SamMateo
    Participant

    Interesting, a thread or two past the top and then back it off. I’ll try that. Did you use threadlocker as instructed, too?

    If that doesn’t work, guess I’ll be tuning PIDS this weekend.

    Before you lost your camera (bummer!), did you also notice that the HD camera does not provide image immediately? Rather, it is dark for a period, and then about 3-5 seconds later, the image flickers in?

  • #11228

    scherfz1
    Participant

    ya i did that cause i new the o-rings would be “stiff”, so in doing this it pulls the tight and expands them, then when you go to their recommended torque the natural elasticity will bring them back in so they are not too tight or lose.

    as for the thread locker…. no…. me and thread locker do not get along… especially when i have to take things apart like tonight lol. i just always check them before flight, after i land….. well more of a crash……. and they haven’t backed off…. yet, but i keep a very watchful eye on them….

    ahhh as for the camera, i did not notice that, i get static before it “links” up then the camera came in to view very quickly. almost like if you were to cover up a gopro camera then uncover it to expose the lens to the light… i usually had my video feed about 10-15 seconds after battery hook up…

    i hope this helps…

    Zack

  • #11236

    jpenate
    Participant

    Hey everyone. I was hoping someone here could give me some input on getting my Imprimo to fly without flipping upside down. I received the imprimo yesterday and put it together according to the online instructions. I double checked that the props were put on correctly. For some reason though after binding it to my Taranis and setting the flight modes and arm switch, when I arm it and try to take off it either flips upside down or tilts to the side and starts dragging itself across the floor. What can I do? The props are getting slightly nicked from going against the floor so I’m going to stop messing with it for now.

    • #11238

      scherfz1
      Participant

      Wish I could give you some advice bud, but I am using drone arts V2 controller, and I have no clue as to how bats flight works. Someone else here is also having controller issues

    • #11242

      SamMateo
      Participant

      Hey jpenate, sorry to hear about your trouble. The flipping thing does sound like your props may be on wrong, but if you’ve checked them already it doesn’t hurt to check one more time. I didn’t see any markings on these props, but I did notice that you have to have the side with the grooves on top, where the screws screw in. (The flat side should be “kissing” the motor.) The only other things I can think of are that you should take care to initialize (plug-in) when the quad is completely flat, so it can calibrate correctly. If you plug on while leaning one way or the other it may do what you are describing, which is drift off in one direction.

      Other things to check–are all props spinning? You may have a bad ESC or two (seems unlikely for a new unit).

      And finally, Betaflight 3.2 has a “Flip after crash” setting. Not sure if you have played with this, and it takes some work in the ESC configurator to get this going, but if you have it enabled improperly you won’t be flying anytime soon!

  • #11243

    jpenate
    Participant

    Thanks for the replies Scherfz and SamMateo. I’ve been going over the props again and I don’t see that I’ve made a mistake. I’ve even compared them to the OP’s pictures and my props are on same as his. I do see the groove and placed them the way you mentioned SamMateo when I first built it so that’s all good as well. I checked in betaflight to see if the props spin the direction they are supposed to indivuadlly as well as together and nothing stood out and seemed all correct. I checked the FC alignment and when moving the Imprimo in my hand, it moves the way it should in betaflight so the accelerometer is also working and calibrated correctly. I’ve gone over the checklist tha usually results in flips on takeoff but nothing is wrong with the set up from what I can see. I’ll post pictures if anyone wants to see that my props are on correctly or possibly if anything else has been placed incorrectly.

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    • #11248

      SamMateo
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      Thanks for the pics. Your Imp looks like put together like mine, Props are on right too. Stack might be tightened a little too much, but I can’t see why that would make it try to flip as opposed to twitch like mine.

      Are you running the Spektrum receiver or Frsky? I noticed your FC/receiver board looks a little different than mine.

  • #11249

    jpenate
    Participant

    The FrSky one and I use a FrSky Taranis X9D Plus. That’s interesting, what you said about the screws being too tight. I thought maybe they weren’t tight enough. When I hold it in my hand to check the motors spin, it shakes really crazy and I wasn’t sure if that was normal or not.

    • #11251

      scherfz1
      Participant

      you are talking about props possibly being on wrong….  find that funny due to the fact I have been learning about drones in a bigger picture… meaning building my own 190mm or bigger, and I have noticed the standard prop configuration is different from the way the imprimo is suppose to be set up

  • #11254

    SamMateo
    Participant

    Yep, looks like the Imp is set up with the Clean Air mod, with props reversed to improve stability on smaller quads or quads with ducted props: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1EM0SwV4Ug&t=3s

  • #11255

    jpenate
    Participant

    I believe the clean air mod is also something used to prevent receiver or vtx antennas from getting caught in the props. I’m not sure if it helps or not but I know some people choose that mod for that reason as well.

  • #11270

    Jamie Camp
    Moderator

    Hey guys,

    Hope all is well.

    Sherfz1, so great to hear the updates of your experiences and the processes of learning along the way. It’s really great. It’s definitely an addictive process and with each day you’ll see improvements so keep it up.

    For the front and rear clips, honest truth. I just put a tiny little dab of super glue on them. Not much as I want to be able to take them off if I need to. But I’ve found it helps a lot in not having to chase after searching for them after crashes. Been there done that. 🙂

    Sherwin, I hope you are able to get those few things straightened out based on our communications over on the ticket system. I have also attached the channel mapping along with a bit of data on the stop and start record function. There is also more to come on this.

    and Jpenate,

    Definitely looking forward to us getting you up and flying ASAP.

    Best regards,
    Jamie

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  • #12045

    SamMateo
    Participant

    Just an update–I think I’ve successfully tuned out the “twitches” in my Imprimo, and it flies reasonably smooth LOS with the gemfan props. However, when flying through goggles or on screen, the jiggles and twitches are still very unpleasant. I am starting to think that this is a function of the HD-FPV version camera. I noticed the frame rate it is recording at is 25 fps…this seems like it would exaggerate any twitches of the flight controller as it tries to stabilize itself in any minor wind. Has anyone else had any luck flying this via goggles? I am waiting for the regular camera to be available as a part…I bet this would be a more fun flier if I had the regular SD camera installed. Thoughts, comments, suggestions welcome.

  • #12101

    my97cobra46
    Participant

    I was never able to get the jello out of mine. I had posted before that the avan four blade props are the best I’ve found for it. But unfortunately it was while done art was having technical issues with the forum. And I see it’s now the prop they are using.

    • #12103

      SamMateo
      Participant

      I ordered and received Drone Art’s regular non-HD camera and installed it tonight. Will try to take a flight tomorrow to see if I can fly with goggles…I’m bummed the HD set-up is not working, but I’d like to fly this thing through FPV to see how well it flies!

  • #12109

    Jamie Camp
    Moderator

    Hey guys,

    We are working on a new tune.

    Please note that this new file will also be tuned based on the Avan 2″ props as we found them to also be the best option.

    Something else that you may find helpful is that the canopy itself where the camera sits does have a little give to it. This bit of flex can also cause vibrations. Something you may want to try is getting double sided foam or clear gel tape and mounting on the edges of the Imprimo so that it helps pad/lock down the canopy a bit more.

    I have attached images for reference.

    Best regards,

    Jamie

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